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d20 4th Edition
ӝTheHalcyon
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For those of you who are unaware, WotC is planning a release of 4th edition D&D (which will also set the standard for all d20 OL products across the board) this summer.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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Haly
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02.17.08 11:33 am

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ɤGalivice (#12523)
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To be honest though, I have no idea what they are actually changing so I cannot say anything more.
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...I still have my little purple velvet bag o' dice.
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ɤGalivice (#13695)
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Though I also have a set of black dice with a marble/granite texture, and the standard boring set of dice that comes with the starter kits and whatnot.
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ɤNeddiedrow (#13570)
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That said, I doubt 4th Edition will live up to expectations. They made a conceptual leap with 3rd which was immediately handicapped by an unintuitive implementation of magic, the use of linear progressions in a potentially infinitely scalar system, the failure to reconstruct the Hit Point system into something logical and the obscene decision to allow unmitigated twinking through prestige classes, a poor idea executed disastrously.
Many player who enjoy power gaming seem to cling to these four elements, and so we can safely assume that their corrupting influence will remain in perpetuity.
ӝTheHalcyon (#13684)
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Personally, I've always found the appeal in the game itself, rather than in the rules. One of the things that I liked about 3rd Ed. is that the rules became more streamlined, less "in the way" than they were in 2nd. They allow equally well for a hack-and-slash dungeon crawl or an in-depth political intrigue where the most combat you see is a well-mannered fencing duel between pampered nobles.
The other nice thing...is that it was the first real attempt at a standardized system for gaming, that made a bold start at opening up the industry beyond just WotC. Though, obviously, it doesn't work quite as smoothly as we sometimes wish it would (the disaster of d20 Star Wars being a _prime_ example) it was still a wonderful try and a bold vision.
Now. Is it perfect? Fuck no. Will 4th Ed. be? Nope. Thus far, none of the systems have been capable of satisfying all of the players, all of the time. And just like anything else, those who are dissatisfied will always have the loudest voices.
My thing, however, is this: do we really need a completely new revision of the rules, so soon?? After all, we had 2nd edition rules for _forever_ -- but now there seems to be this rush to force new and "improved" changes on us every few months. They had barely released 3.0 before they were proposing changes and revisions to be called 3.5...and now we're on to a solid 4.
So the question, I suppose, is this: is the tabletop industry feeling pressure from the video game industry to...keep up somehow? Or is it reactance to player dissatisfaction with the glaring system flaws?
Haly
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ӝTheHalcyon (#19690)
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4.0 should be...interesting. To say the least. Fortunately, we'll be able to look through the books and read through some of the changes before we decide to shell out $29387032984273 US for them. LOL!
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ɤSWI (#15466)
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I been talking to peeps for years about getting D&D on to the computer in a way you keep the table top but have gamers from any where so it's easy to find groups & have time to game even on trips if needed.
I can carless about Book Cover art. All you need to know is what something looks like & where you are. They make little plastic models now so you don't have to show the book to your gamers.
But I am still up in the air about it as I am about ShadowRun 4.0 but thats me.
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ӝTheHalcyon (#15469)
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I find it hilariously amusing that they're just now getting this trend when it should have been one of the FIRST things that they incorporated into 3.0 when they did that rework. Better late than never is not the case here, I think...but that's just my opinion.
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If you want to keep to 3.5 I say do. if they like it go to 4.0 when they are ready. 4.0 is mainly them fixing what they messed up & making races easy to make into playable races.
Also if they don't like D&D try the new ShadowRun 4.0 as I hear it's easy to learn & less dice to deal with so it's great for the less math savvy people like my self.
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ӝTheHalcyon (#21664)
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ɤHoobatsch (#22994)
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Its just better in my mind. Im not a big fan of WotC anyway. but I think what they did to SwRPG and D&D was kinda horrific.
gary made it as good as it could be the first time round, imho.
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ӝTheHalcyon (#23015)
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And d6 Star Wars will ALWAYS be the best. Period.
Haly
ɤHoobatsch (#23154)
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like traveller. that was a kickass game.
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ӝTheHalcyon (#23034)
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Bullshit.
So, when I get a little free time, I'm going to design a system that WILL work. Of course, I won't be able to market it as being for Star Wars or anything....but trust me...it'll work. And it'll be marvelous.
Haly
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Just warning you.... Your heads about to be blown of with my R700...
ɤSWI (#23107)
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=hWZ2WdeTo1M
This shows how we play normally on table top but this shows how 4.0 can allow more people can play this way from a laptop when they have a job trip & don't wish to miss their game.
2 funny vids about 4.0 also:
http://youtube.com/watch?…jRZWo&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?…2W_TU&feature=related
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