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    So, on the insistence of spot, and after seeing how empty this section of the forum is, I decided I would post something about my project idea here. I didn't think it would fit into the other sections due to there being a few things needed done for this, so yes.


    I said once..somewhere on here, that I planned to make models of mines that would float in the air as opposed to the water for this game I play on occasion (like I haven't mentioned it before!) called Spring.

    Now, the plan for these mines would be for them to be flat (I'll upload a screenshot of the rough copy ASAP) and to be able to float at various altitudes, and for some of them to be cloakable. Obviously it will take a good bit of energy resources and the like to manage that in game, so I will either have to learn LUA or find someone who is very good with it to pull this off. But, of course, I have to actually finish making decent textures for the model I've constructed and hammer out the rest of my hopes and wishes for it before I drag someone else in to get started on it.

    I'm really interested in eventually taking this and starting up either my own mod for the game (if I can assemble a team to do such) or find an already popular mod (such as the ever growing Complete Annihilation mod) to add this model unit to just to see if it will have some use.

    I see it as something useful and even amusing in my mind. Imagine a set of planes flying at you to bomb your base, and they hit something in the air they cannot see and explode, raining down bits of flaming plane bits around your units and Commander. I know I'd get a giggle out of it. :>

    I think I'll shut up now and let spot ask his questions, and anyone else that may want to ramble on in here. :x
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        ɤ6od53nt (#16500)

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        Since you obviously know so much about Spring, and since I'm too lazy to look it up... What exactly is it?

        Is it an MMO or perhaps an RTS? I grow more confused each time I hear your ubermine plan. (This is now the 2nd time it's popped up. )
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            ¤Sangue (#16526)

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            Spring (http://spring.clan-sy.com) is an RTS based from the original Total Annihilation game(www.tauniverse.com).

            Through the TASClient (or through something called SpringLobby), you can access a lobby that is just a tiny bit reminiscent of irc and set up games in battle rooms to challenge other users. Like with any other game, we have clans of varying sizes and degree of skill, and there are various mods for Spring (Star Wars, Gundam, 1944, Complete Annihilation, Kernel Panic, P.U.R.E, Balanced Annihilation, Evo, etc etc) for people to play in games that have up to 16 players in them. The mods are made by the players for the most part, as are the maps and now the majority of the units in the mods.

            It's actually pretty fun, if you like to play a decent free RTS.

            I believe neddiedrow would know a good bit more about how to explain some of the other aspects of Spring than I would though. :>
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                ɤ6od53nt (#16593)

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                downloading installer package now!

                *stupid dial-up... work faster!!*
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                    ¤Sangue (#16595)

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                    Haha. Let me know when you get it installed so I can know your lobby client login name. Also, if you think you can't run a multiplayer game on it, the main site does have a single player thing you can download to play it with the various AI there are instead. :>
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                        ɤ6od53nt (#16599)

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                        I've been working on it for the last few hours now...

                        In fact, I've managed to write an entire temp conversion app in the time I've been waiting... I guess that's something along the lines of a win-win situation. (scenario 1: get it fast, but no work done. Scenario 2: grow a beard in the time I wait, but get one step closer to understanding C++)
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                            ¤Sangue (#16606)

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                            Learning C++ is a good thing. I keep telling myself I will learn it one day. :>
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                    ӝspot (#16551)

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                    How are you going to balance this?

                    You cannot put something in play which there is absolutely no defense for. It shoves team balance off-tilt and becomes a serious problem (ala Mammoth Tank rush) to a point that no one will want to use what you have created.

                    So tell me how you plan to balance this out. :P
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                        ¤Sangue (#16554)

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                        Well, I admit I haven't hammered those details out 100% yet; but then...with a game that has things like Krogoths that pretty much take anything down and are next to impossible to get rid of, I assume I can add this in somewhere without too much trouble.

                        At the worst; they will be costly and the cost of keeping them cloaked will be great enough that someone wouldn't be able to use too many of them without robbing from everything else. So they most likely won't be usable til later on in the game, when people start bringing out the bigger weapons and the like.

                        Since cloaking them would be so costly, I figure most of them will be visible, which will give someone a chance to try and fire on them from a distance (probably through FPS view); but then there will be the occasional cloaked one to surprise a view bombers/etc coming in to the person's base.

                        As far as the coding and such goes though, til I find help/learn it myself, those details are a bit harder to pan out. :>
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                            ӝspot (#16555)

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                            I assume Spring is cpp. Do you have to write in that, or do they handle mechanics with a slave language?
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                                ¤Sangue (#16570)

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                                I'm not quite smart enough to completely answer that, so I asked the dorks in the Lobby. :>

                                Here is what they say:

                                [12:14:50 PM] <KDR_11k> For modding/GUI work or engine-level?
                                [12:15:28 PM] <[Evo]lurker> units use the bos language
                                [12:15:35 PM] <KDR_11k> Mechanics suggests game mechanics, i.e. LuaRules
                                [12:15:37 PM] <[Evo]lurker> a lot can be lua
                                [12:15:49 PM] <[Evo]lurker> but almost everything game wise is in cpp

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                                I'm a nub. ;_;
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                                    ӝspot (#16572)

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                                    Hah! Ok, thanks!
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                                        ¤Sangue (#16573)

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                                        One day I'll know what I'm doing way more than I do now, and I'll actually be able to say something brilliant. :>
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                                            ӝspot (#16575)

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                                            You should ask ӝthehalcyon to teach you PHP. :P
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                                                ¤Sangue (#16592)

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                                                I don't bother people I don't know that well. :P
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                                                    ӝTheHalcyon (#23323)

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                                                    Besides which, I hear she's an uber bitch and bites people who bother her while she's writing code.

                                                    Other than that, she tends to be nice, I hear. The only problem is that ӝthehalcyon doesn't know that awful much about PHP. I asked her on your behalf, tho, and she said to tell you:

                                                    echo "php.net" . "=" . "your friend.";
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                                                        ¤Sangue (#23484)

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                                                        Oh my. D:
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                                        ɤ6od53nt (#16618)

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                                        acckkkk! I've downloaded the 1944 AND Kernel mods along with the original map pack. Now how do I play them... because they don't seem to like me...
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                                            ¤Sangue (#16627)

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                                            1944 is awesome (there's a video somewhere on my blog to watch) and I love Kernel (I participate in the Ladder competitions sometimes).

                                            The best thing to do for a new person is to download the single player (http://spring-portal.com/index.php/docman/doc_download/232-springsp-v09), and then grab up a few AI and try one out (http://spring.jobjol.nl/files.php?subcategory_id=3), and just play around on various mods until you get the hang of it.

                                            The main site that hosted the maps and mods is now gone, but in the topic of #main in the lobby, there are a ton of sites listed that have them. Just look in the battleroom list at the bottom of the screen and you'll see the popular things to play. :>

                                            My name on there currently is [SBFS]Sangue[CA].
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                                              ɤ6od53nt (#16645)

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                                              I'm. Just. Starting. Over...

                                              I've wiped all things "spring" from my computer, and I'm gonna try everything again...
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                                                  ¤Sangue (#16649)

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                                                  D: Why? What happened? D:
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                                                      ɤ6od53nt (#16651)

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                                                      well... I had the original package. Then I downloaded singleplayer, but it wasn't finding the Kernel mod. After about 3 tries, SP finally found the original 3 maps I downloaded. So to force it to find the Kernel, I tried to put SP in the same folder. By that time, I knew that if it didn't work, I wouldn't be able to restore the files to their original locations. well... it didn't work. On top of that, I had no idea what to do with the bots once I had downloaded them... All I could do was open the file or save it to a disk..

                                                      SO... I started over. yay me.
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                                                          ¤Sangue (#16653)

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                                                          Oh.

                                                          Well, the SP goes in the main Spring folder so it will be with the Spring file and such. The AI go into the AI Bot-Libs folder, and the maps and mods go into their own seperate folders.

                                                          It's actually easier to explain to people by just dragging them into the lobby and making them play a 1 on 1 game with me so I can show them things. >:
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                                                            The SP is having trouble finding the unitsync.dll and unitsync.cpp...

                                                            I sent a copy of the battleroom's unitsync files to the SP folder, but it didn't like that either. IDK....
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                                                                ¤Sangue (#16700)

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                                                                SP has a separate folder? >_>

                                                                I didn't have SP in a folder, I had it in C:\Spring directly. unitsync.dll and unitsync.cpp are in that folder as well, and it works fine for me.

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                                                        ɤ6od53nt (#16619)

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                                                        !!!!! nvrmind!! haha

                                                        live via username "6od53nt". Though I'd like to play some AI's before I throw myself into live combat. (I'd rather not get booted my first few games for asking questions such as "how do you play?")
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                                                          I've just... started the "process" of installing =) Sure isn't the fastest thing to do, but I've been looking for an RTS that was decent on linux.

                                                          My spring name is 'fluffy' (big surprise).
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                                                              I'll stalk you in the lobby. :B
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                                                                      Maybe!
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                                                                              Candy is for the amateurs. I offer cupcakes.
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