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ɤOdessa-086

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Which is your favourite and why? Do you have all of them or just one/two? Pros and cons?
I have Vista Home Premium, XP Pro and several Linux distros. Normally, I would always go for Linux but sometimes you can't ignore the necessity of a Windows system. Well, mainly for games. Driver distributors make it hard on users to completely switch to Linux, despite its flawless stability, so sometimes you just have to stick with some Windows system.
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    ɤBlanK (#21339)

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    I only have Windows XP, I'm strongly biased against Vista, and I want a computer running Linux.
    Windows runs everything basically, so no matter what you're set. I keep mine around solely for games and the off chance I need Windows. Linux I want because I want to learn Unix.

    Vista is a virus. All it does is slow down your computer. No OS should have a minimum requirement of 1.5 GB of RAM. I can get by just fine with XP that can run on a third of that.

    I own a Mac though, which is basically for everything besides games. I like the feel of it and the fact that there aren't many viruses for it. I don't like the ipod that much though, but it's kinda required.
    06.08.08 12:07 am
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#21340)

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      Yeah, not many people like Vista for that very reason. I keep it around solely because of Halo 2 (when I'm away from Xbox). It looks nice and everything but it's a huge resource hog and I can't afford to screw my laptops up by using it for everything. Linux...Linux is pure perfection. If only drivers for hardware were free to modify for it, I wouldn't need Windows anymore, I'm sure I could survive on consoles for all my games. I'd like to have a Mac. My cousin has MacBook and I liked working on it.
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        ɤBlanK (#21341)

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        Yea you reminded me of another reason I don't like Vista. It's a total Mac graphical copy. The desktops look practically the same. The only difference is I can run a Mac OSX on a 4 year old laptop with 256 MB of RAM while Vista can easily use up all of your RAM when you're not doing anything.

        Macs do run pretty smooth and come with some pretty sweet free programs like GarageBand, I had fun playing on that instead of doing homework for a month or so.

        I don't think I could survive without PC games though, I love me some PC games. Some games are meant for consoles, but FPS games and other first person games are just meant for a mouse to me, it feels so much better and it's a lot easier to be more accurate. Though I can be pretty accurate with consoles too, especially Umbrella Chronicles for the Wii. My god it's fun to play arcade shooters.
        06.08.08 12:39 am
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      ѻdxd (#22145)

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      "Vista is a virus. All it does is slow down your computer. No OS should have a minimum requirement of 1.5 GB of RAM. I can get by just fine with XP that can run on a third of that."

      The same argument was used against XP.
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        ɤBlanK (#22150)

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        I was much younger when XP came out so I'm not aware of any arguments against it. Regardless Vista does have a lot of crap added to it including mucho DRM stuff which benefits no one. Not to mention the total jacking of the mac desktop look.

        Anyway why make a switch to the Vista for around $100 when there's free XP CDs at my house?
        06.16.08 1:08 am
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          ӝNirach (#22168)

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          XP picked up a lot of flak for the terrible Home edition, which was quite literally, Pro with some bits cut out (And I mean literally cut out) and then bodged into working after release. Even then, only some things were fixed.

          SP2 had a list of install issues as long as the equator - There were very few times when it actually installed properly, and when it did, there was a case of the blue screens afterwards. It's taken them from the time XP came out to perfect it - And the end of life for Professional (?!) is at the end of June. Home is continuing on (Why they discontinued the working product and continued with a broken POS, I don't think anyone will ever understand) indefinitely.

          As for the DRM you mention, it's not caused any known issues for me, what so ever. Playing legit 'premium content' (IE: HD movies) through my monitor, which is very much NOT HDCP compatible (As demonstrated by both Xboxes not finding an HDCP link on either monitor over HDMI) isn't an issue, I haven't had to fiddle with settings or anything - It just worked.

          No argument, though, that it is a graphical rip-off of OS X.
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            ʊchalkley3 (#22184)

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            Oh, don't get me started on XP Home. Being the poor bastard I was, it was all I could get legally at the time. My whole network is borked, and there's a limited amount I can do about it because M$ castrated half of it's admin functions.

            And what the hell was Microsoft thinking when they decided to cut complete support for Remote Desktop on Home completely, and then chop the legs off it in Home Premium? Absolute wankers.
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              ӝNirach (#22202)

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              So they can screw more money out of those of you who wanted to use those features, and I bet you that is very close to the actual reason.
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                ʊchalkley3 (#22273)

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                Of course that's why. But it makes me raaaage.
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                  ӝNirach (#22298)

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                  Get a job at Microsoft and see about getting "staff discount" :B
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            ɤBlanK (#22453)

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            I think the DRM is mostly from prebuilt computers so if you try to move parts around you get locked out, although I've admittably not done much research into this, regardless I don't care for DRM in anyway, shape, or form. Ironically iTunes seems to be changing music files that used to be .mp3, but we'll see who wins in the end...
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              ӝNirach (#22464)

              Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

              I'm no big fan of DRM either.

              I do know, though, that the DRM for not swapping parts out is a bit.. Lack lustre, especially considering how the early Vista cracks worked..
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    ɤDibol (#21395)

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    I like Xp but my Mom got a laptop with vista and its kinda good... small errors...
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#21396)

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      That must be a monster laptop, considering Vista's requirements...I guess it's a solid system. Providing you have really good hardware.
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    ɤDibol (#21397)

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    it is a monster laptop... but its good...
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    ӝNirach (#21454)

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    Depends, massively, on hardware for me.

    If it's not fantastic hardware, then XP.

    If you've got good hardware, then Vista Ultimate, 64bit of course.

    And if you really hate Bill that much, then Penguin :B
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#21512)

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      Well, even if you had the best hardware, I don't think you'd need Ultimate unless you're running a small business.
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        ӝNirach (#21521)

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        Technically, though, Ultimate is the only true form of Vista, as the rest are cut down versions.

        A good example of this would be the MUI language packs - They're only available to Enterprise (volume licensed Business, give or take, but with the ability to use language packs, unlike Business) and Ultimate. Also, consider the ability to join a domain. Anything below Home Premium cannot do this, so say you needed to join a domain on a University network, or at work, you'd be in for buying Ultimate anyway.

        Considering the cost here in the UK, it's barely more than XP Profesional was OEM, too. (I paid ~£96 for my copy of Ultimate, and ~£80 for XP Pro). I don't see why settling for something with half of the OS chopped up to get different price levels.
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          ʊCei (#21648)

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          £96 from where? I need a copy to replace my Home Premium, due to the stupid "one CPU only" shit.
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            ӝNirach (#21657)

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            Ewww, HP?

            I got it from Eclipse Computers on some sale or other weekend some time ago. I think it was like 95.40, but honestly, it might aswell have been 96.
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              ʊCei (#21668)

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              Yeah, HP :(


              I can only find it for £117 currently. Damnit.
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                ӝNirach (#21681)

                Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

                I'd keep my eyes on Bit-Tech shopping and Eclipse-Computers, to be honest. BT searches a lot of stores that Google shopping doesn't seem to, and EC occasionally have sales on things that you'd not normally expect.
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                  ʊCei (#21697)

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                  Sounds like a plan - just really annoyed that I have to fork out another wad of cash to MS for a single stupid feature.
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                    ӝNirach (#21713)

                    Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

                    It could be worse.

                    You could be paying for something like.. Err.. Okay, I have no idea.
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    ¤Annath (#21468)

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    i run XP on my laptop and desktop. for a while i was running Xubuntu on my laptop, but a stupid mistake in some display settings got me fed up with it. Linux is good to learn, assuming you have a windows comp to fall back on while learning. I unfortunately did not, as my desktop is still out of commission
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#21513)

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      True, true. If there were more drivers available for adapting to Linux, I would probably completely switch, but this way it makes it hard to use Linux only.
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    i hate vista with a passion the only thing i did like about it was the little search bar was super fast but everything else sucked
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#21514)

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      I only hate it because of its stupendous requirements
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        LAME!!!!!!!!! just everything thats wat it comes down too
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    I have XP pro that looks like it might be vista with less extra crap running in the background to make it look pretty. My mom has a desktop with vista and complains about it often, I have difficulty switching to it from anything else I've used...
    When I get a new computer, I'll be using XP. Vista just has too much frills for me. If it's better on the inside, I don't think I can get past what's outside.
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#21515)

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      Really? I have both XP and Vista HP and I think Vista is much easier to work in. Then again, XP is ridiculously easy too.
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    ʊchalkley3 (#21631)

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    I run Vista Home Premium 32bit edition. I've tried some linux live CD's, but never really sought any reason to upgrade other than pretension and technical auto-fellatio. It may give performance, but at the expense of ease of use (Face it, unbuntu isn't really linux any more) and compatibility. Also, Media Centre is fantastic, and it's fairly useful to have the DX10 gaming compatibility.

    I used to have a G3 PowerMac, but I never found that particular version of OsX to be very enticing.
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      ʊCei (#21649)

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      You do realise you can upgrade the G3's OS, right?
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        ʊchalkley3 (#21695)

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        Yep, but at reduced performance, and reduced money in my wallet.
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#21928)

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      Yeah, that's the drawback with Linux - isn't easy to use. But for that we have to blame all the companies that won't let their drivers be freely adapted for Linux.
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    ʊCei (#21650)

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    OS X is my flavour of choice, and has been for ages now. I have an installation of Vista Home Premium 64 as well, used for games and 4 On Demand.
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#21925)

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      It looks great, I've been lucky enough to get a chance to work on one. I'd like to have a Mac with OSX on it, but I have to say I wouldn't like to have it as the only system.
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        Having OS X as your only platform is fine, unless you want to play games. That's seriously the only thing I touch in Windows these days.
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    I loved OS X
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    ѻdiamond281 (#22027)

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    Ohh tricky...

    I personally use XP and I love it to bits but I am getting into Linux also because of my boyfriend.

    Now, Vista...well it looks pretty and that's all I can really say about it to be fair. It's not a system I personally want to use. It's a large install and updates tend to be large also. It doesn't support a lot of hardware yet either however, the same could be said for Linux however, if there isn't an official one, there will also be one made for it.

    I just don't like Vista...
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#22557)

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      Many don't like it...I personally hate it for hideous requirements. And I agree, updates are always rather big.
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    ӝmook (#22055)

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    Ubuntu + Vista at home, Red Hat at work. Once you've gotten over the learning curve of having to install and configure devices yourself Linux is really a breeze to use. Games are fine if you're willing to mess with Wine or buy a cedega subscription, with the odd caveat here and there. From a development/administration point of view I'm really in love with the terminal and the stuff you can do with it. Something that would have required me to write a seperate program in Windows can usually be done with a few lines of bash.

    For the record, Vista has always worked perfectly for me and I haven't experienced any of the bloat or crashes people talk about. The instant searching is awesome but as people have already pointed that out Linux and OSX have had that for years. Turn off UAC and the inbuilt security stuff and there's practically no difference between XP that I've noticed (performance wise) - not to mention if you've got a DX10 card you can see all that awesome stuff.
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#22558)

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      It seems we're one of the very few without problems on Vista, then. It's been working like a charm for me ever since I got it, and I reinstalled it dozens of times already. But no, I definitely don't like it as much as XP, not even nearly as much as Linux, which is hard to use at first, but as you said, once you get the hang of it...it's perfect.
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        ӝmook (#22595)

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        It seems we are, I would disagree with you about XP, but I'm afraid of meeting your shotgun ;) Nice to see another Linux fan around these parts though, I thought that was just for us coders.
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    ѻdxd (#22146)

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    Vista Ultimate 64bit.

    I will never use XP again, XP was a lot more unstable than Vista, I couldn't even have mine running for more than 18 hours. Now, with almost the same hardware I have had my PC running for 3 weeks+ without so much as a look at crashing.

    And the hardware requirements aren't really that silly, 4GB of RAM is nothing these days and I'm using an old AMD Socket 939 4200+ X2 processor at the moment.
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#22566)

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      It may be nothing to some, but for a lot of people that's a lot of money.
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        ѻdxd (#22621)

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        £60 for 4GB of cheap DDR2 RAM and £100 for much better DDR2 RAM is not that expensive and RAM is just as (if not more important) than graphics cards, which people happily spend £200+ on.
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    ѻyashachan (#22295)

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    I use XP Pro and used to have a machine that ran Debian (until it died).

    The "best" OS is dependent on what you do. And I'm going to leave it there because I despise arguments over the "best" OS.
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    ɤphotofroggy (#22312)

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    I use 32bit Vista Home Premium on an HP laptop, and it works fine for me. I got one random blue screen shortly after getting it... that's about the only problem I've had.

    I honestly don't get why people have these problems, I always feel alienated by it. Like when the Xbox 360 came out everyone kept getting (and still do, apparently) red rings OF DEATH!!!!!!! yet mine has been working since I got it, and I got it the year it was released.

    I dislike Apple computers for my own reasons. It looks nice and all but that's about it.

    I'm not prepared to risk learning to use Linux yet =p
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      ɤOdessa-086 (#22568)

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      Yes, I don't understand the masses that keep reporting all those Vista crashes or red ring of death on 360s...never got either myself. Occasional Vista crash every time I reinstall because I forget to pay closer attention to my video card and that's all.
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      06.20.08 1:09 pm
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        ʊCei (#22708)

        Played Final Fantasy Games Before FF7

        I can blue-screen Vista at will :)
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        I'm an OS X fag at heart
        06.23.08 12:53 pm
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          ӝNirach (#23127)

          Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

          Anyone can :p

          I used to be able to KP OS X at will. But then Leopard came along :(
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          Keep your eyes peeled for the average gamers.
          Nothing's broken, it's just functioning differently.
          06.30.08 3:21 pm
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    ɤDibol (#22439)

    Rushes With Zerg

    I like apple for somethings...

    and HP laptops use vista...

    my mom has one
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    06.18.08 11:03 pm