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Confessions of an Anti-WoW MMO addict

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So I hate WoW.

Yes, yes, I know. The horror!

It's not that I think it is a bad game. I actually have a great respect for it. And I have been a religious Blizzard fan ever since Starcraft. My issues are on a more personal level I guess.

I have trouble getting into something that everyone else is obsessed with. I have trouble being 'one of those people'. It seems that if an MMO is loved so much, by so many people, that it must be the most 'normal' MMO out there. But I am a gamer. I don't want to be 'normal'!

Perhaps I am just a tad off in the head. Hmmm
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    ӝNirach (#3284)

    Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

    I spent most of my life (Well, when it was released) until about.. December last year hating it. Still not a great fan, just play it when there's nothing else to do. However, after reinstalling RA2 and Yuri's Revenge, I've been having a lot less time to have nothing else to do it :B

    It's good for wasting countless hours, but really isn't all that rewarding in the same way as other games.
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      ӝspot (#3290)

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      RA2 Mmmmmmm ;]
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        ӝNirach (#3385)

        Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

        It's even more tasty with the hundreds upon hundreds of fan maps :nod:
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        ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8068)

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        RA/RA2 ftw!
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          ӝNirach (#8704)

          Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

          Everyone loves the Red Alert series. Even the people that hate RTS games.
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      ɤSkyrail (#9850)

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      RA2 D: I have Yuri's Revenge but lent the RA2 disk off my cousin...after some complications let's say I've just got YR but no RA2 hehe, shame I know :( it was the game, alongside Empire Earth and Earth 2150 that got me into RTS games.
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        ӝNirach (#9851)

        Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

        :( buy it again!

        I never played Earth 2150. Worth grabbing?
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          ɤSkyrail (#9879)

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          I will do one day ):

          Mhmm, it's hard to try and recommend it really, it's a much different style of play from most other RTS games, which is good as it is it's 'own thing' but can be hard to get into. I absolutely loved it and thought wonders of it when I borrowed it off my grandparents 5 years ago (I think it was that long ago may have been 4, nevermind) since they got it free with their PC. I became so addicted haha, it has no infantry but each race is entirely different and it has some cool features like the construction and research centers. I certainly see it as one of the games that 'founded' my RTS love. Shame my love of it has begun to die for a while after I found FPS games lol.
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            ӝNirach (#9884)

            Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

            Hm.

            I'll grab it and have a looksee, me thinks.
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    ѻzionwingmaster (#3310)

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    I got to like lvl 42 and quit. I still pay for the account but I don't think I've logged in in probably over 4-5 months. I even got the Xpack. It just got boring.
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      ɤDanielZKlein (#8180)

      says: GG NEXT MAP

      So you're still paying because... because you think the poor people at Blizzard will STARVE if you don't? Because you have too much money?
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    ɤNightwind (#3380)

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    I used to be a complete WoW addict... like, had a whole intervention and shit (I know, I was lame middle-school kid who had no life).

    Now I only play because most of my friends do, and when we've gotten bored of the same LAN games, it's fun to have WoW parties and lvl racing... but that's all the entertainment it has for me now really... or just to kill time...
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    ɤBingchavezzz (#3591)

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    yeah i used to be a heavy wow addict im just a big blizzard and RPG fan but after a while into the xpac it just got old i stoped raiding and evrything. the big wakeup call was when i went on vacation for a week and wehn i came back i logged on and found out i had been kicked out of my guild because i failed to fill out some dumb "wont be attending raid form" and then i realized how seriously people can take a game kinda crazy if you think about it
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      ӝNirach (#3605)

      Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

      Should have seen the group I was in last night.

      I was just arsing around doing some mindless grinding (level 20 bloodelf) in Detholme, got invited to a group and thought "Eh, why the hell not." and they spent the next hour or so whining at me because I'd not taken a quest, when they were all quite capable of completing said quest, as denoted by the fact that they picked up the quest items... (I checked WoWhead to see what the hell they were on about)

      It was kinda funny being called a retard, especially by someone who kept dying.
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    ѻIceAngel (#3600)

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    I quit because of too much drama within raiding guilds and the pvp is rigged.

    I have found Hellgate london more fun and more social than any mmo I have played. About 3/4 of the players say the game sucks, yes it dies (till next patch 1.0 Stonehenge), but its more about the community and everyone isn't a complete 4chan ass hat. Yes they all make jokes, but at least when you ask an honest question you don't get spammed with like "haha HE SAID GOLD PIECES STEAD OF GOLD HAHAH" they correct you politely and then tell you. Plus, Flagship made Diablo2, and I just became a Diablo fan about a month ago when my teacher gave me a cracked version of the game.

    Lessons for MMO's:

    1. Don't Rely on PVP
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    4. Do not try and make it a "wow killer"
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      ɤArchaicStigma (#3825)

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      PVP is not rigged
      but I currently play wow I have a 70 hunter and a 61 priest. It's not the game that keeps me playing it's the people I play with. I have IRL friends I play with and a group of people I know online. I used to raid but because my guild changed their raid times I can no longer attend. A considerable amount of people don't like or hate wow, that's alright. But what isn't is for people to flame it.

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    ɤLume (#3861)

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    My view on WOW:

    Leveling is absolutely a blast in that game. Getting from 1 to 20 is not difficult, and they recently made it much easier to get from 20 to 60. From there, you go to Outland for 60 to 70 and Outland is an amazing place. The zones are a lot better because Blizzard, despite what people say, learns from their past mistakes. While leveling is fun, it eventually ends at 70 and forces you to choose one of two paths or be mediocre at both. You either become a PVP'er focusing on grinding Arena's all day (which from experience can be hours of the same teams over and over due to their matching system putting like-geared and rated players together) while hopping in and out of the various battlegrounds, or you become a Raider and have a set schedule with a raiding guild to get together and go to the hard end-game dungeons.

    PVP'ers dislike PVE'ers and visa-versa. PVP players tend to say that scripted encounters are not difficult and argue that it's just an encounter in a game with a predictable path and solution. They think that because you know what will happen at 20% means you can actually get 25 people to pull it off sooner or later, and that's not always the case. PVE players say that all PVP players do is complain about nerfs, dots and various other problems. They say it doesn't take too much skill to be a PVP player because all you need is the right class balance and you will have the leg up on most matches, but not all (especially if you're Horde thanks to their racials). For some reason, the two kinds of players cannot find a happy medium and get along. PVE players say PVP gear is overpowered while PVP players say they need PVE gear to survive in arena's (which is ridiculous due to resilience ratings).

    There's also the majority of WOW players, being the Casuals. They run 5-mans and sometimes 10-mans, mostly Karazhan and the new Zul'Aman. They don't care too much about their gear or character, they just enjoy playing or logging on to chat with friends. When I played, I hated these people. They are the reason for most of the nerf beatings in the game. They cry about everything and think everything is too hard. I pretty much hate them and wish I could wash my armor in a tub of casual tears.

    I was a hardcore raider from Molten Core to Naxxramas, Gruul's Lair to Black Temple, 6-days a week from 7pm to 11, sometimes midnight if we didn't get the goal completed, other times it ran past 1am. I mentioned all of these groups and explained them as I saw them because collectively, they are all why I quit and why I chose a different MMO. I broke my ass to re-roll a Draenei Priest and rushed him to 70 in 13 days /played. I started Karazhan a little late, halfway through it with my guild. I started to see Tier 4 armor items dropping right around the time the Arena Season 1 gear was being introduced. Low and behold, they just recolored how Tier 4 looks so PVP players could "look cool like the raiders."

    That bothered me a lot because getting the Tier armors has always been hard and shown off a bit of prestige in the huge time grind that is raiding. You had to learn the boss, beat the boss, then beat him multiple times for the lucky chance of your token to drop. PVP had it's own cool armor before TBC with the Warlords stuff, so I didn't understand the need for the sudden "same graphics different color" half-assed bullshit of a solution espcially since, when it was implemented, all PVP players had to do was PVP long enough to save enough Arena Points. Epics for casuals as we called them. Then they started nerfing the dungeons for the casual players, which didn't bother me because we still had to do them on Heroic Mode for the Trial of the Naaru quest and still had to kill Magtheridon for attunments to Coilfang Reservoir and Tempest Keep. I think it was a mere three months after my guild got all 25 people attuned that Blizzard decided to let casuals and PVP'ers win again and completely lifted the attunement, that took weeks to attain, so that everybody could see the instances. Instead they put an attunment on Hyjal and Black Temple. Then they introduced Season 2 PVP gear, which was recolored Tier 5 gear from raiding dungeons. Now all the PVP'ers in Shattrath were starting to look like me and I'll admit, the pixels were an e-peen item. I worked my ass off to look that cool, wtf did the PVP'ers do other than grind away their day killing mostly the same people over and over again? I got tired of all that crap around Supremus in Black Temple. My old guild has gone on to kill Illidan and now Season 3 looks like their Tier 6 armor.

    It's the same thing over and over and now with the heroics being nerfed into the floor, armor sets being re-colored and everything being tuned so that it's "easy for everybody" it's just not a fun game. I'm a competetive player and that stuff bothers me, aside from that I'm a Game Art and Design major and the thought of re-coloring a Tier of an important armor set in a game makes me throw up a little in my mouth. It's complete lazy bullshit and I can't believe Blizzard keeps on doing it. I'm not against everybody having an equal share in the game, I just wish if everybody was going to be able to do things, they should all start at the same time or put the same amount of effort into it. Making the hardcore players break their ass to farm consumables, money, and create crafted gear to complete hard dungeons only to remove the attunement right after they do it was pretty much the beginning of the end for me. They at least fixed some of the armor concerns by giving players personal ratings so it's not much of a grind, only the good PVP'ers get all the items now. Even so, they have spit in the face of hardcore raiders repeatedly because they are by far the lowest part of the WOW population (something like 2% of all players are in top-end raiding guilds). Since that was my niche, it was a bit too much to handle and I got tired of paying $15 a month to be disappointed, aggravated and spit on by the company I'm paying.

    As for people who may be casual or PVP, the game is outstandingly fun and will keep you playing for a long time. If you're a hardcore raiding player, be prepared to have all your hard work given away for free after a few months have passed by so that softcore players can get the chance to do exactly what you worked so hard to do. Sunwell is coming out soon, so I'm almost 100% sure the Black Temple and Mount Hyjal attunements will be lifted shortly after the release of patch 2.4.

    These are my confessions and views. My name is Lume and I'm no longer a WOW addict.
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      ӝspot (#3865)

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        ʊCassed (#20279)

        Shut up and die.

        I've checked that game out, and played a trial and I was.....lost.
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      ӝNirach (#3866)

      Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

      I think you just melted my brain.
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        You don't use it often, it's okay.



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      ɤBlanK (#8271)

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      okay, i'm gonna be honest, i didn't read your whole post, i read the first paragraph and got bored.

      i personally don't like WoW, but it isn't for the mass amounts of people meaning mass amounts of immature 12 yr olds with squeaky voices and r-tard parents. i don't really like any game where you click on something, and then all you have to do is press a few buttons that aren't still recharging to kill something. i don't see the skill in that at all. not to mention, i don't see how level grinding can be a blast. WoW is a game based on level grinding and getting the best gear using lotsa money. i have played the trial though and i did find some fun in questing with a friend of mine, but outside of questing and playing with him, i was too bored with it. well, you guys can play, but i'm not payin 15$ a month for a superficial amount of enjoyment.
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        ɤLume (#8288)

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        My whole post was the reasoning behind my departure from WoW. I don't pay $15 a month for it either. :)

        Also, end-game items aren't gotten by money. Coordinating 5 (PVP) to 25 (Raids) people together to accomplish a goal is how you get the best items in the game, and it's not easy on either side of the fence. Personal ratings for PVP make it so only the best get all the gear while only the best raiding guilds can accomplish defeating all the raid bosses for item tokens.

        That aside, the games nothing but a grind in one form or another, but most games are.
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          ɤAxumis (#11280)

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          I read your whole post, and whilst I was one of the "casual" players, I never really whined about anything much because I was just playing the game to have fun and didnt really get that far in it anyway, because of other things in my life being so damn important, even though I would have liked to have been a hardcore raider.

          I completely agree with your post though, and I am a very competitive player as well in a lot of games, and play to win and to get the most "respect" by getting the best armours/weapons, whatever it is that your showing off.

          So amen to that, and lets hope that warhammer online is good, and not just the same. Or that an elder scrolls MMO is released soon, that would be epic.

          In the mean time I will go back to my CoD 4 and getting to a decent placing :)
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      ɤSkyrail (#10025)

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      tl;dr run down please? Haha, I'll read it sometime, but I'm hungry and want to play HL2 Ep2 lol
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      ɤDaeva (#16614)

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      Not to be rude, but you're putting off the exact type of elitist attitude that fires this whole PvE vs Casual debate that you mentioned. :P

      It's not good business for Blizz to allow so much of the content they create to only be experienced by such a small percent of the player base. Look at Naxx; by far one of the best dungeons Blizz ever made, but due to its difficulty and late release in relation to the xpac, hardly anyone got to see it. That's a ton of wasted effort on their part, and probably why they have chosen to redo Naxx in some way for the new expansion.

      Lifting attunements isn't a bad idea either. The only thing stopping some guilds is just that kill on Vashj or Kael, which are both very difficult fights. But even with the attunement removed, they will probably still not get very far in BT if they couldn't kill these bosses in the first place.

      It's really not undermining the raiders accomplishments. You still did it first, and to the people who even care, they will remember that. :P
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    ɤcrazycycoclown (#3896)

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    HaHa I just never Liked WoW. i saw the people at my school who played it and shuddered.
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      ɤArchaicStigma (#3924)

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      there are definatly some interesting people who play it :p

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        ӝNirach (#8705)

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        It depends what you mean by 'interesting' :b
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      ɤb0x0rz (#6377)

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        ɤArchaicStigma (#6730)

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        Whatever floats your boat

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    ɤResaStar (#8076)

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    I wasn't a "gamer" when I started playing WoW. I was blindsided.

    Friend of mine played it, and introduced it to my husband and I. Now, two years later, I'm still playing (although, I don't play often). Most of my friends play, and the ones that don't despise the game.. 'cause they're friends with zombies.
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      ӝNirach (#8706)

      Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

      You dissing zombies?

      We're just as cool as you living people!
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        ɤResaStar (#9172)

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        Hey hey.. I'm definitely calling myself a zombie... saying the non-zombies aren't too happy being friends with us. They just don't understand. :P
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          ӝNirach (#9225)

          Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

          :B True that. Maybe they need a poke in the eye, or something.
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    ѻIceAngel (#8273)

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    I... just reactivated my wow account after 4 months...
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      ӝNirach (#8707)

      Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

      Slippery slope!

      I can grease your shoes for you, if you like?
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    ɤArchaicStigma (#9188)

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    The reason wow is fun is because it's more addictive than crack. This is due to how Blizzard makes games. First they find a random sample of people. Then they get them addicted to crack. Then they give them a game to play and let them choose between playing the game and crack. They repeat the process until they want the game more and BAM Blizzard has made another successful title :p

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    ɤSoren (#9210)

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    I adore Blizzard. That company entirely makes me happy. Except for WoW. I entirely agree with Spot.

    That game made my ex-fiancee into a nightmare to be around. His idea of spending time together became me sitting on the couch besides him while he raided. Not exactly my favorite thing ever. Then there was the anniversary we were supposed to go out to dinner. Which got postponed a few hours while he sat through a wedding on the game. I was like are you serious? I didn't even realise it went that far there. But apparantely so.
    02.06.08 6:33 am
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      I recently read somewhere where you said 'boyfriend'. So we can assume that you did not end up marrying him? Was it due to WoW? :)
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        ɤSoren (#9285)

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        That was definantely part of it. That and catching him in the act with another girl. >.>

        So yea. Heh. He would get mad at me for going to work early, or staying late. ((I worked as a radio dj. I had to do it, its just... part of the business really)) But then he would pretty much sit on the computer all day. From the time he got up till when he got to work. He'd come home eat in front of the computer and then play wow till morning grab a nap and repeat. It was nuts.
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          ӝspot (#9417)

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          HAH!

          Sounds like you shrugged off some baggage. :)
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            ɤSoren (#9418)

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            Just a bit. *innocent* I'm better off for it. But I still get this twitch around that game.
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      ɤGalivice (#9525)

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      I do realize that this might be a kind of touchy topic so I'm reluctant to comment due to my lack of linguistic finesse, but, did you play yourself? I mean to say, it's an awesome game, and if you started playing, you might have liked it just as much as he did, and surely you both raiding at once would beat sitting on the couch while he raided...

      Though the anniversary thing and cheating thing would probably cross the line even if you both loved WoW.
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        ɤGalivice (#9527)

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        Oh, forget it, can somebody delete this post? I'm scared I'll piss somebody off.
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          Rabble Rabble rabble, I'm pissed off now and I'll find your house :P I joke, <.<

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        ɤSoren (#9528)

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        Eh. I don't mind answering honestly. I haven't played it. Given what I saw from him playing I just don't have the stomach nor the want to give it a chance. Unfair? Yes. But thats just my take on it. If I got near a computer, he'd flip. Because he didn't want me on the computer. He was never comfortable with my wanting to be on the computer, nor gaming. Lord he didn't want me to game in the slightest.
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    ɤSWI (#9800)

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    I think you can say that about any MMO. I didn't like EQ for that reason but WoW if your on a new server it's not so bad. I had the horror to pick a server that was old but I still stick with it. I may get into GuildWars but it scares me right now.
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      Nah, EVE is not like that at all.
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        ɤSWI (#9852)

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        Well since I never played it I shall take your word for it. I have comic books witht he name EVE. Any relation?
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