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I am an athiest, and very outspoken about it.I grew up Christian but i actually decided to think for myself. I DO actually get looked down upon greatly. There is a book i just previously read called, GOD IS NOT GREAT: How religion poisons everything. It was written by Christopher Hitchens. The book does not actually say anything bad about religion directly. It tells real storys about Churches trying to interfere with government and the people. For instance, In the Irish Republic, The catholic church tried passinga referendum to make it illegal to get a divorce. Mother Theresa even flew out in order to help the referendum. Its a Great book for everyone. i doubt a Christan could make it through the whole book but what can we do.
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    ɤArchaicStigma (#6560)

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    I'm an Atheist, but mainly because I was never introduced to religon . Despite that I still celebrate Xmas Kinda <.<

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      ʊIrishancest (#6579)

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      Christmas is now more of a consumer holiday rather than a religious holiday anymore, if you go by what people do and how they act (at least in America). It's all about spending money and whatnot, not actually thinking and helping other people.
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        ʊchalkley3 (#7699)

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        But having stuff is so much fun. I know I'm a hypocrite on this, but yes. If you're going to have christmas, sure get a whole lot of swag, but help out with the salvation army or something. Guilt equaliser. You can also "gift" people things like goats and farming equipment that goes to the third world.
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          ʊIrishancest (#7708)

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          Yeah, that is a good idea. You can also go volunteer at a nursing home. Some of those people never get to see their families
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        ɤmute-8 (#22356)

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        People tell me that, but Christmas to me has only ever been a consumer holiday. My parents are both quite outspokenly atheist, and so I never got into the whole "love of Jesus" stuff...I just got the presents because everyone else was.

        To me Christmas has not been lost to consumerism, but been lost by Christianity altogether. The religious side only seems to be a formality.
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          ʊIrishancest (#22515)

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          That's not even close to the case. Rather than being lost by Christianity, Christianity itself is being lost quite a bit. It is still very religious to a lot of people, you just don't see that as much as the commercialism. But all those bell ringers are working for a basically Christian cause, Churches do tons of stuff for Christmas, lots of people volunteer for the season, it's just not popular so not as widely noticed.
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        This is very true... even though I'm Jewish... But i don't celebrate it.. I have Hanukkah
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          ʊIrishancest (#22588)

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          A lot of people have their own customs around that time, but they still mean to help others a lot of the time.
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            yep...
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              The news people and other things just don't give them enough attention.
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                Thats true... And its kinda sad...
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    ʊIrishancest (#6580)

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    I'm not an atheist, but I can see where you are coming from. I've gone to a catholic school my whole life, and it seems as if they have been doing everything possible to turn me away from religion (in fact, I know quite a few people that have been turned off of religion thanks to our school system and idiot archbishop).
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    ʊchalkley3 (#6598)

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    I'm an atheist. it's quite good here in australia, as you can be atheist without having any real drawbacks, like in some places in America.

    What do you think of Richard Dawkins? Personally I have mixed feelings about him. On one hand, he's doing a service to society, as churches are usually very corrupt and out of date organisations. On the other hand, he does it by trying to talk faith out of the everyday religious man/woman. I suppose that if you see it in a cold logic there's nothing wrong with that, but that kind of approach seems to polarise the debate and turn it into opinion. I mean, "The God Delusion" is a very informative and truthful book, but if you were a religious person, you wouldn't read it because it the title sounds like the rantings of a crackpot.
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      ɤmute-8 (#22355)

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      Dawkins can be very confronting. Most of the time, it doesn't seem like he's trying to convince Christians that they're wrong, but to convince atheists that they're right.

      Sam Harris is better, in my opinion. He has a much clearer writing style, and some really good arguments. He's written Letter to a Christian Nation.

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    ӝNirach (#6668)

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    I'd not say 'athiest' about my beliefs. I don't believe in god in the sense that I follow an organised religion, but I'm willing to believe there MIGHT be an omnipresent something. Since no one can conclusively prove it either way, I'd rather believe that science is most likely to provide the answers we need now, and the spiritual stuff is all good, so long as you're not getting into wars/fights/pointless bickering/idiotic hate mongering/etcetcetc over it.

    tl;dr: Yes, there might be a god, but I'll take science over faiths kthnx.
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      so your agnostic?

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        ӝNirach (#6703)

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        If I knew what that was, maybe :B

        Ignorant idiot is probably what most people would describe me as :p
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          Agnostic just means that you believe that there might be a god, but there might not be, and you need something to prove it either way. In my opinion, agnosticism is the only way of thought that actually doesn't involve faith in any form.
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            ӝNirach (#6734)

            Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

            Ahh.

            In that case, I guess I am agnostic. I think it's because I'm too lazy to get involved with either side when there's nothing in it for me, except arguments with people that believe in the other thing. I have better things to do :B
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              I disagree! lawl Well it's good that you found your religon, via internet. The best source IMO :P

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                ӝNirach (#6739)

                Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

                Hahaha.

                I used to go with the phrase "I believe I'll have another beer" until I discovered it was on a bunch of stuff, it felt less fun then :(
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              ʊIrishancest (#6743)

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              Yeah, I know quite a few agnostics actually. They all pretty much are agnostic for the same reason. I almost joined them at one point, but i didn't.
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                ӝNirach (#6745)

                Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

                Oh?

                How come?
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                  Various reasons, mostly stemming from the fact that religion has been forced on me for the last 13 years of school, in addition to the fact that the particular brand of religion that was forced was that of our archbishop, and he is a complete idiot that doesn't know what he was talking about. It's a bit more complicated than that, but I could write it all in a book.
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                    ӝNirach (#6758)

                    Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

                    Ah. I hate not having anything to say than 'ah'. So irritating.
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                      Lol...yeah, that's kind of sad. Especially when it happens in real life. That gets a little awkward there for a bit.
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                        ӝNirach (#6766)

                        Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

                        :D Damn skippy it does. Happens a lot to me, since I'm quite quick to pass judgment on things I see that annoy me >.>
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                          ʊIrishancest (#6768)

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                          Yeah, I learned to check myself in dialog because I got annoyed at myself for spouting out everything. As a consequence, when I talk to other people, I kind of let them do all the talking until I get to know them well...
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                            ӝNirach (#6769)

                            Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

                            :D

                            I have a big mouth and very little self control. 'Tis not a great mix.

                            Ahwell, it's got me some good friends.
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                              Yeah, it keeps some of my friends because we are all pretty outspoken and we get into some pretty good debates like that.
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                                ӝNirach (#6773)

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                                Hahaha, yeah. One friend in particular is very much the exact opposite of me, and we debate/argue about things so oten it's hillarious. We can seriously spend damn near a day arguing about consoles and games, it's apparently funny to watch for a while.
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                                  ʊIrishancest (#6776)

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                                  Yeah, I have a friend almost just like that, except he isn't a gamer so we're stuck with politics and religion and whatnot. Actually, the only one of my friends that is a gamer doesn't argue with me that much, so I have no one to talk about that stuff with. It's kind of sad really. That is what makes this site so great.
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                                    Probobly shouldnt get involved in this... I mighgt get banned for saying mean things...
                                    O and I replyed to Irish only couse I didn't want to break the chain, cause it looks cool.
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                                      lol, it does look cool.

                                      And yeah, I had to restrain myself from saying some things, although I also didn't want to get involved in a theological debate atm...too much work to keep up and make sure all your answers are kosher (no pun intended)
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                                        Yet the pun was there.
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                                          ѻzionwingmaster (#6816)

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                                          Ya know This would be a cool opportunity to test out this part of the forums. I've never seen what happens when it gets so small you cant fit text.Or If it gets to that point.
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                                            ʊIrishancest (#7262)

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                                            It does get to that point...go check out the rambo topic under movies
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                                              Ok.
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                                                ɤmute-8 (#22373)

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                                                long chain...no religious sentiments just here, I just think kudos is in order for keeping the chain up for so long.
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                                          I couldn't think of any other words that were synonymous with kosher :s
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                                            all good might have worked =)
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                                            ʊIrishancest (#7138)

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                                            true...oh well. No use crying over spilled milk
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                                    ӝNirach (#6984)

                                    Worrying is about as effective as chewing gum to solve algebra

                                    :D

                                    Nothing quite like a good chinwag about politics.

                                    I miss Paul. He and I used to talk about that topic until the cows came home. Git went to university >.>
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                                      Yeah, my arguing friend went off to college in a different state last semester but luckily(!) he hated that college and came back home to go to college, so I get to argue with him some more.
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                                        Hahah, score!
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                                        Yeah I know. And the third of our arguing party (kind of, he hates politics) hates his college and will return to that other one as well next semester. Since I am home every weekend, we can meet and argue on weekends.
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          ʊchalkley3 (#6848)

          I go where I please, and I please where I go

          I used to be like that (agnostic, not an idiot, lol) but I then realised it was nothing more than an insurance policy for the afterlife. Also, behaviour of the various church is kind of a turn-off, that's why 99% of informed people (that wasn't meant to be condescending) are atheist.
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          01.29.08 1:36 am
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            ɤasarea (#6869)

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            well thats exactly what most peoples thoughts are... like if they believe a little but, they feel like it IS an insurance policy, like they can go either way when it comes to the end. but i find so many flaws in the bible, and when i ask about them, they say that it was transcribing issues?? so that means people are becoming so Dependant on insecure, and unsure translations.
            01.29.08 3:09 am
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              ɤRastaban (#6885)

              Is In Your Base, Killing Your Mans

              Oh, please, share a few with me.
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              01.29.08 4:27 am
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                ɤasarea (#6892)

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                http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sb2fSRByI


                PEnn and teller have a couple ive found, watch this. and in reality... the whole thing is a flaw. it was written by a whole bunch of power hungry people that were fucking coocoo, then took advantage of the people that were in need. so if your going to base your LIFE, the only one you have, you dont know if your going to have in when you die, but you know for a FACT that you have one now, then dont bring me down with you. the churches are starting to fall, so they are desperately trying to measle their way into the government, like IN GOD WE TRUST was added t the dollar bill in 1962 i belive and the same in coins. " under god" was put in the pledge of aligience in 1954. they are not big things, but things like stem cell research and the land used by churched directly affect me.
                01.29.08 4:38 am
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                  ɤRastaban (#6910)

                  Is In Your Base, Killing Your Mans

                  DISCLAIMER: The below IS a theological post. Do not read if you do not want to. If you reply, please be coherent and try to keep blinding emotion out of the argument. I will ignore all flames.

                  All below quotes are from the English Standard Bible, listed in order that Penn & Teller list them. My responses follow them. Prepare for a long post.

                  Exodus 21:7 "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do." The big guy says this is "no out-of-context bullshit" and that this verse "says it's OK to sell your daughter into slavery." Yes, this is out-of-context. This verse does NOT say it is OK to sell your daughter into slavery; it says, if you have to, you must do it like this. Given the track record of the Jews (read the book of Judges; it's probably the goriest thing you'll ever read), it makes sense that God would implement laws about slaves.

                  Exodus 35:2 "Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death." The death here mentioned is not a physical death; it is not saying that the offender's physical life shall be publicly ended, rather saying that the price for break