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ѻFuzzyLovePanda

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Well I was tired of seeing advertisements for Eve Online on here after a day, so I'm downloading it. I think I may have tried it years ago and stopped playing after a day because it was very confusing and overwhelming. Any how, aside from their "first day guide" on their website what the heck should I be doing? Any guides of suggestions you have?
02.02.08 4:51 pm
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    ɤLume (#8161)

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    If you're willing to read, most of these helped me to understand a lot of what EVE is all about in the first few weeks: http://myeve.eve-online.c…p?a=topic&threadID=437508

    If you're willing to read further, this has a ton of information in it that can also help with understanding different aspects of the game: http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page

    Then, once you really understand what it is you're supposed to be doing, the subsequent forums on the EVE website all have threads with many guides. Everything you need to understand EVE is on the forums, it just takes a willingness to read. There's also a Rookie Chat channel that you join by default in-game where people answer all sorts of questions and it's very helpful.

    EVE forums: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp

    If you have any specific questions that you can't find an answer to, ask here and I'll try to answer them.
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      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8166)

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      Thanks a ton.I've just done the tutorial missions and what not, wondering if I should buy a new ship since I have 80,000 ISK, I just have no clue lol...
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        ɤLume (#8207)

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        My suggestion would be to find a cheap frigate with bonuses geared towards damage/defense until you can afford a better frigate. I started with a Condor Caldari Frigate then moved on to a Merlin Caldari Frigate. After that I decided what bigger ships I wanted most, cross-faction trained to Gallente Frigates and got a Tristan. Now I have spent the past 2 and a half weeks training my skills in Learning, Gunnery, Drones, Electronics and Engineering.

        The game takes a lot of time because of all the training you'll need to do. The good thing is as you do missions, better quality agents open up to you. I started at a Level 1, Quality -18 agent who paid me maybe 30k ISK for his best mission. Now I'm working for a Level 1, Quality 18 agent who pays me significantly more for the same missions.

        Keep in mind missions are not the only way to make money. Snoop around and read about the different professions and see if any suit your fancy. I happen to enjoy Missions and Manufacturing. :)
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          ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8230)

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          Yeah I upgraded to a Condor, then got blown up with around 233k ISK so I think I'm just shy of a Merlin, and buying a new Condor (I dont remember if I had it insured) will set me back a little as well.

          And my god the training is so confusing =S... I'm going to have to read a guide on it or something. 90% of the things I get from wreckage I can't use because I need to train skills.
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            ɤLume (#8245)

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            Yea, that's how it is in the beginning, you'll most likely end up creating a new char when you realize what it all means. For example the attributes in the game (Intelligence, Memory, Perception, Willpower, and Charisma) have the sole purpose of making training times faster, that's it. Every skill has a Primary and a Secondary attribute assigned to it and those two attributes make the training time faster. Gunnery stuff is Perception and Willpower, Drones are Memory and Perception, etc.

            When I made my first char his attributes were all over the place. I also messed up his skills by making him something stupid like an Entrepreneur, Engineering Military man. Most of the first level of skills only takes between 15 and 1 hour to learn, so it's not all bad. Your character will become more efficient if he's made right, and you'll only make him right when you understand the mechanics of attributes and then understand the character creation menu. It took me 4 characters to figure it out. I'm not that smart. :(
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              ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8259)

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              I'll probably play out the free trial on this character, but if I do get a subscription then I'll probably make a new character and have a better understand of it all. I feel like after having it installed less than 12 hours ago I have a base understanding.
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                ɤLume (#8265)

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                If you're still with it in a few days, you'll likely stay with it for months to come. At least that's what a bunch of people on the forums and in-game told me when I started.
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                  ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8266)

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                  Heh, but I'm trying to watch out, I just broke a two and a half year life consuming World of Warcraft addiction 2 months ago... So I'm a little hesitant to get into another MMO, but I think Eve is a little better because it seems like you can make your little niche in the universe where in WoW it was all about raiding 5 times a week and PvPing once a week. Seems like Eve gives you more liberty to do what you want when you want.
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                    ɤLume (#8269)

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                    If you haven't yet, I recommend you read the conversation between Spot and I in this thread: http://forum.napalmriot.com/topic/2958/

                    Spot does a good job of explaining why EVE won't suck your life away like WoW does.
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                      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8365)

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                      Finally figured out how skills work. Didn't realize there was an option to switch to "show all learnable skills". Stupid default options is "show all skills I have". So like I wanted to train Mechanic I, but I couldn't find it in my skill book. So I found out about the options, switched it, then realized I have to buy books to train things. It's all good, I'll probably make a new character if I ever decided to continue with Eve Online. Are ISK transferable between characters? Or would I have to like put a useless item up for a ridiculous price and buy it from myself to transfer the money?

                      And also, after I move out of secure space and get into a corporation how would I make money? I'm a fighter, so I'm just doing agent missions to make my money right now, I have about 800,000 ISK. Seems like all I make money on as a fighter is the agent missions, unless I'd expand to pirating in lowsec?
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                        ɤLume (#8393)

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                        You could go ratting in low sec once you get a good ship. In 0.4 space there are Cruiser class rats (NPC's) that are worth anywhere from 50,000 to 70,000. The lower you go the better the bounties. Level 4 missions have NPC's with bounties of around 2.5 million, while rats in 0.0 space have bounties of about 1.85 million. Rats are found in asteroid belts.

                        Aside from that you can become a pirate, kill other players (for security status loss) and sell the items on their ships. You can protect a mining corporation as they mine in asteroid belts and need protection from the rats that will spawn on them. You could protect a trade corporation, since they travel by freighter, transport or industrial ships that have no guns and need protecting as they travel long distances, etc. There's lots of things you can do.

                        Aside from that the great thing about EVE is any profession is a few learning skills away. You never *have* to make a new character to do something because you can buy a book and start learning it. You're never stuck in a position if you're willing to put the time into learning something else. I only started over because a new character comes with skills at level 5 if you build him right (my guy has Mining/Refining at level 5) and it saved me a week or so of learning. You can only have 1 skill training on 1 character in your account, so it discourages alts really unless you have another account to play on. So if you decide on a profession you like, you can still do other things by training the skills for it.
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                          ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8400)

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                          Right now I have a Merlin, when do you think I could jump into lowsec and seek out some bounties? Like what kind of ship do you think I should go with?

                          And you do make a valid point with the professions, I'm wondering if I should make a new character when my trial runs out. Aside from the fact I feel my intelligences and memory are a little low I think I might stick with my current character.
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                            ɤLume (#8406)

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                            It'll take a good setup but your Merlin can handle cruiser class pirates if you build it right and learn to play right. The eve-online forums have a ships & modules subforum that people post their setups for ships. You may be able to find a nice Merlin build.

                            Be careful though when flying in lowsec. the police won't stop anybody in 0.4 to 0.0 space from killing you. A good rule of thumb is to never fly a ship you can't afford to replace a few times over in lowsec.

                            If you're looking to make some nice money you can do what I'm doing. Working on agents increases Corporation and Agent standing, if it gets high enough you can get a high quality agent who will give you nice money in return for the missions they give you. you can also build a salvaging ship and salvage the NPC ships you blow up in missions, which nets a real nice amount of money. Currently with my agents I make around 150k to 300k per mission plus about 1 million to 2 million for the salvage materials and items they drop. I started salvaging a few days ago and currently have 17 million ISK when I started with 6 million. It's good money.

                            Also you can right click on a person and select "Give Money" and send them money instantly but you can't send money on trial accounts. So if you make a new character if you buy EVE you can find him in the People & Places box, right-click him and send him money.
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                              ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8407)

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                              Yeah I'm on my second agent not including the tutorial one, she's level 1 quality -5, but I get around 30k to 80k a mission. The next agent there which I need to unlock is level 2 quality 11, so I guess that's my goal. I don't know how hard level 2 missions are. =/... And I think I might take your advice and start training and building a salvage ship.
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                                ӝspot (#8429)

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                                Glad to hear you are enjoying yourself man. Lume is a good one to direct you. He has all the 'oh shit what is that for?' question recently answered and fresh for distribution. :P

                                Wow... I just sounded like a tech writer. ew!
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                                  ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8444)

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                                  Haha Eve is an awesome game, it'd be pretty cool if in the future we'd have like a Napalm Riot corporation, and with any luck It'd be huge.
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                                    Already in the plans from the beginning.

                                    ..RDC.. :)
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                                      What's an RDC?
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                                          That almost makes me want to start playing >.>
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                                ɤLume (#8452)

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                                I dunno, I haven't done level2 missions yet. I know they are very hard for a frigate so I'm waiting to get a Cruiser.
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                                  ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8535)

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                                  What agent are you using? haha whats his quality?
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                                    ɤLume (#8575)

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                                    I am working for the Caldary Navy right now in Haatomo - Moon 3 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant. There are two agents there and so I do 2 misions at a time. Level 1, Quality 17 and Level 1, Quality 18. With my standing with Caldari State (Faction - 0.62) and my standing with the Navy (Corporation - 3.33) the effective quality of the agents is 22 and 23 respectively. they give me nice ISK, Loyalty Points and Corp. standing increase per mission so it's worth it. With my salvaging ship, between bounty prizes, Mission ISK rewards, items and salvaged materials I make about 1.5 to 2 million ISK for every trip (2 missions per trip).
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                                      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8577)

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                                      hmmm wow. =D... So like are a level 1 quality -5 agent and a level 1 quality 11 agent different in difficulty? I might as well just jump over there after I do my homework and start with those agents and start training for salvaging. what Caldari ship would work as a starter salvager?
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                                        ɤLume (#8588)

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                                        Mine have me doing the same missions as my previous agents, they are just paying me more. Sometimes they will throw me a rough mission though like Worlds Collide which is ridiculously hard and some of the missions involving Drones gets rough too. For the most part they are simple but be prepared for some of them to get very dangerous. Worlds Collide is the only one I have to warp out of if I decide to kill the NPCs but in that mission you don't have to, you can sneak by and pick up the item then leave without killing anything but you miss out on bounties, items, and salvage.
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                                          ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8590)

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                                          yeah apparently I need .9 faction rep with Caldari Navy, I have .09... Hehehe, I guess i have some work to do =D
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                                            ɤLume (#8591)

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                                            Keep in mind that about every 16 missions you get a Stroyline mission which significantly impacts your faction standing. The storyline agent will contact you via EVE-Mail to let you know where she is and will put the mission in your journal so you can read it before accepting or visiting the agent. Storyline missions also reward you with Implants that boost your attributes to make training faster.
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                                              ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#8603)

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                                              Cool yeah, I just found a -7 and -11 quality agents. I can get about 100,000-200,000 per run (both missions), but I'm a little light on cargo space on my Merlin, it really only lasts 1 mission.
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                                                Frigates tend to be like that. :(
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                                                  ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#9185)

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                                                  So I looked into salvaging... Well first I need to get survey and mechanic to level 3... No big deal... But then I need to learn Salvage, which is $900,000... Then I read a guide and it said I needed a "Salvage Tackle I" high slot module to actually begin salvaging, but those cost 17 million isk... O.o, there must be a loophole because you're salvaging and you I know you don't have that kind of ISK to spend.

                                                  Regardless I was looking at destroyers, the Caldari Comorant, a destroyer, is like 800,000 ISK, I think I might get one regardless if I can start salvaging, seems worth the investment.
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                                                    ɤLume (#9194)

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                                                    In order to salvage you need those skills and an item named "Salvager I" not a tackler. To find this item look in the market under:

                                                    Ship Equipment
                                                    -Electronics and Sensor Upgrades
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                                                    ----Salvager

                                                    It should cost you around 35,000 ISK for one. I have 4 on my ship along with 4 Tractor Beams. The beams pull things towards the ship from 20km range making salvaging much more efficient since the salvagers need to be within 5km of their target wreck. The beams cost around 1m each and I have 4 of those as well. If you want my catalyst setup I can post it, but I'm not sure if it will fit on a Cormorant.
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                                                      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#10172)

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                                                      yeah do you mind posting your Catalyst setup? I feel I'm comfortable enough with the game to know if it fits in a Cormorant. Plus I have everything trained, I should be salvaging very soon, just need to invest the money.
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                                                        --High Slots--
                                                        4x Salvager I
                                                        4x Tractor Beam I

                                                        --Medium Slots--
                                                        Afterburner
                                                        Cap Recharger I

                                                        --Low Slots--
                                                        3x Capacitor Power Relay I
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                                                          ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#10272)

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                                                          so I have 4 mid slots and 1 low slot. What do you recommend for the 2 medium slots and one low slot?
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                                                            Depends on your capacitor. If you can get away with 1 AB and 3 cap recharges in the medium slots and then use an expanded cargohold in the 1 low slot, you'll have more space to pick up loot.
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                                                          ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#10295)

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                                                          wooo! I Just tried out salvaging for the first time. The mission I did gave me around 120,000 ISK, then another 125,000 ISK in bounties (lots of fighting =D), and finally a whopping 800,000 ISK from salvaging. My god those burnt circuit boards... *drool*. Can't wait until I get to do Worlds Collide again, If I killed both bases imagine how much you'd make salvaging.
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                                                            ɤGoldRogers (#10549)

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                                                            You will salvage a lot faster if you fit a Microwarpdrive instead of an afterburner.

                                                            To get rid of the "deadspace" which stops you using them, bookmark a wreck in each part of the mission then warp to it once you complete the mission.

                                                            This also gives the advantage of removing all the structures and astroids so you don't get stuck in them and if you're nearly out of bonus time it doesn't matter since you've already handed the mission in.
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    ɤGoldRogers (#9341)

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    Ack to much to read (I don't have time atm)

    But i've been playing Eve for over 2 years now so if you need any help i'll be happy to offer it.
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      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#10053)

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      hmmm question... I had that Cormorant I didn't want on the market for like $775,000 or something of that nature and well I hasn't sold and the game is telling me I have nothing on the market. I'm afraid I magically just lost half my ISK lol.
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      ɤGoldRogers (#10054)

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      Have you checked your assets to see if you have it?

      And checked the your orders on the market?

      If it's not there check in your wallet for your recent transactions.

      It will be somewhere.
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    ɤGoldRogers (#9349)

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    The salvage tackle is a rig not a highslot mod, it just increases your base chance to salvage successfully. If you fail nothing bad happens it starts again.
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      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#9423)

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      Sweet that means I should have enough ISK to get started Salvaging within the week... I just dont want to dish out 900,000 for Salvage rank 1... Ooof. Right now that's half of what I have.
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    ɤGoldRogers (#9575)

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    Well it won't take long to make the isk back, since you have a destroyer already i'd recommend finishing the mission. Bookmark a wreck, go and hand in the mission (Complete it) that removes all the structures and dead space (So you can use a MWD).

    Then fit salvagers and tractor beams to the destroyer an warp back to the bookmark you made.

    Handing in the mission removes everything but wrecks and cans, you make your own bookmark so you can find them again, if the mission has jump gates to other pockets you need to bookmark each one.
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      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#9699)

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      I actually put the destroyer back up for sale... Just too much of an investment, so I bought a Krestel which has a nominal difference in cargo space compared to the Destroyer. I'm also thinking if I want to buy a second one and put my Merlin up for sale... I like how the Krestel has 4 missile slots. I use two 125mm railguns on my Merlin with two missile launchers, but the railguns seem to do ineffective most of the time, probably because I tend to fight as close as 500 m away to like 10km. Nonetheless, on the Krestel with four missile launchers, small shield booster, afterburner, 100mm steel reinforcement, and a small repairer, I need to turn off like 3 modules to keep within my power grid's range.
      02.07.08 11:42 pm
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    ɤGoldRogers (#9818)

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    Missiles tend to be better in PvE since you can pick ammo type and don't have to worry about optimal range.

    It's not to important for Frigates but generally you never put armor mods of a Caldari ship.

    The general rule of thumb is:

    More low slots = Armor
    More mid slots = Shield

    Plus a lot of Caldari ships have far better shielding than armor

    Also using shield and armor mods at the same time isn't really a good idea, since you have capasitor issues.

    Good low slot supporting mods for shield tanking are Power Diagnostic Units, they give you shield hp, nature shield recharge, power cap and more power.

    Another nice thing with the Kestrel over the Merlin is that it only uses one weapon type (Just missiles not missiles and turrets), the bonus of this is you only need one type of damage mod (Low slot items).

    1 x Ballistic Control will boost all 4 missiles where as on the Merlin it won't boost your guns, so you'll get more damage output.

    Something like this should hold up nicely in level 1 missions:

    [Kestrel, New Setup 1]
    Power Diagnostic System I
    Power Diagnostic System I

    Small Shield Booster I
    Small Shield Extender I
    1MN Afterburner I

    'Malkuth' Standard Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile
    'Malkuth' Standard Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile
    'Malkuth' Standard Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile

    If you have the skills you can fit a fourth launcher and if you have the isk replace the basic Tech I stuff with better named stuff.
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    02.08.08 9:39 am
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      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#9819)

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      thanks that was pretty informative, Heh I'm such a newb. I did really like the Krestel though. I only had enoguh time last night to log on for one round of missions and so traveling to them I had 2 launchers and the afterburner on, but when I got their I put my shield on and the other two launchers on and turned off my afterburner. =), It was really easy to kill things with four missiles.
      02.08.08 11:03 am
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      ѻFuzzyLovePanda (#10158)

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      So I worked up the skill for 2 Power Diagnostic Systems, and I was able to have everything on except either a missile launcher or my afterburner. Are there any skills that reduce the power required by any modules I'm using or something that would allow for me to turn my afterburner on?
      02.10.08 2:48 am
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      ɤGoldRogers (#10247)

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      Advanced Weapon Upgrades reduces power for turrets and bay by 2% per level but you need Weapon upgrades 5 first.

      Engineering also gives 5% more grid per level.
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      02.10.08 10:20 am
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    ɤGoldRogers (#9825)

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    Do you know you can warp to 0km?

    Set the destination as usual and the next gate will be yellow instead of white click it, then select warp to 0km, jump and repeat.
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    02.08.08 11:57 am